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'The War On Drugs': Clayton English and Greg Glod

Lava for Good’s The War on Drugs podcast exposes the real-world consequences of five decades of America’s failed war on drugs. Co-hosts comedian Clayton English and Greg Glod, senior criminal justice fellow at Americans for Prosperity, join Dr. Phil on this episode of Phil in the Blanks to talk about this complicated period of US history, showing how the War on Drugs has fueled over-incarceration, exacerbated addiction, and hampered economic progress. New episodes of Phil in the Blanks drop Tuesdays. Listen and subscribe today!



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  • Dr. Phil McGraw: The absurdity of the real world consequences of 50 years of our failed war on drugs. How the war on drugs has really fueled over incarceration, has actually exacerbated addiction, and come at a very high cost economically.

  • Dr. Phil McGraw: Drug addiction is a disease. It's a serious disease. It is resistant to treatment, It is subject to relapse, and it can be fatal*.

  • Clayton English: People's lives have been taken apart by this this war on drugs. The War on Drugs has destroyed a lot of black families, a lot of families, period. I've seen it unravel people's lives.

  • Dr. Phil McGraw: A lot of those people that were criticizing addicts in the past are now among them because of this opioid crisis. I've never yet met anybody that told me they started doing drugs because they wanted to become an addict.

  • Dr. Phil McGraw: What's been wrong with the approach and where did it go wrong? How did this become a war instead of a partnership?

  • Clayton English: It's not a war on drugs. It's a war on people. If it was a war on drugs, you would stop the drugs from coming in.

  • Greg Glod: I have kind of the nerdy policy chops. And then Clayton has this amazing, you know, lived experience and intelligence and advocacy on this issue.

  • Dr. Phil McGraw: Is this is it a racial thing? Is it origin? Is it unemployment? What is it that is driving this epidemic in America? And why have they missed the mark so much in their policy approach to this?

  • Greg Glod: I think the common denominator that you see throughout this we're taking this criminal justice approach to stop this behavior that we don't want to see, rather than making it a health issue where I think that's where a lot of places are missing the mark.

  • Dr. Phil McGraw: We're not going to arrest our way out of this.


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In 1971, President Nixon declared drug abuse ‘public enemy number one’— the first